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U.S. Mint still losing a mint making coins

Why produce pennies and nickels at a loss?

By Briana Kerensky Aug 20 2009, 09:32 AM

A penny saved is 1.38 cents lost

A penny saved is 1.38 cents lost

When you're stuck in a recession with a rising unemployment rate, you learn to take what money you can get. Unfortunately, as people work to save money and the federal government tries to figure out ways to keep people earning it, the cost of manufacturing money has increased to unsustainable levels. 

Ever hear the saying "it costs more than a penny to make a penny?" It's true—and not just for the penny. 

According to U.S. Mint spokesman Michael White, in the 2008 fiscal year, it cost 1.38 cents to manufacture a penny, which of course is only worth one cent. To make a five-cent nickel, it cost 8.83 cents.

The extra change doesn't go to the machinery and isn't solely attributable to the diminishing value of the dollar. Instead, it covers the cost of the materials in coins themselves. 

"A penny is made of copper-plated zinc," White said. "Due to the world need for these metals, the cost of the penny went up in the past few years." 

According to the U.S. Mint, the 6.6 billion pennies produced in the 2007 fiscal year netted a $31 million net loss. The same year, nickel production caused a $70 million loss. Keep that up, and the Mint will soon be in line for a bailout.

The price of the raw materials that make up the coins fluctuate with the world commodities market. Since March 2003, increasing metal prices have driven up the cost of copper by 300 percent, while zinc has increased by 450 percent. Pennies have a zinc core and copper plating, nickels are made of a copper-nickel alloy.

In March of 2008, the Chicago Tribune headlined that it was costing almost 10 cents to make a nickel, and 1.7 cents to make a penny. And while the prices of the coins seem to have gone down since then, it is nothing short of absurd to keep manufacturing coins at a loss.

 

Who's running this business, anyway?

The penny and the nickel are the only U.S. coins that are worth less than their manufacturing and material costs. For instance, in FY-08 it cost 4.36 cents to make a dime, and only 29.6 cents to make a golden dollar. 

But if we are to make sense of cents, the government needs to stop saddling Americans with unsustainable business practices.

"Well, from our perspective at the United States Mint, it's unsustainable. You can't sustain losses on pennies and nickels and expect to be a viable organization that benefits the American people," said U.S. Mint Director Edmund Moy in a 2008 60 Minutes interview. 

But it's not so easy as having the Mint just stop making coins. 

"We [the Mint] don't have the authority to eliminate coins and change their composition," says White. "That power lies with Congress. For the penny to change, Congress would have to take action." 

And Congress doesn't seem to be acting so quickly. The last time the topic of changing the penny and the nickel came up was May 2008, with Rep. Zachary Space's (D-OH) "Coin Modernization and Taxpayer Savings Act of 2008."   

The bill would have given the Treasury Department authority to set the weight and composition of any coin whose production costs exceed its face value for five consecutive years. With the exception of Lincoln Bicentennial Numismatic (collectible) Pennies, the one-cent coins would be made from steel and treated with less expensive materials to impart a "copper color to its appearance similar to one-cent coins produced of a copper-zinc alloy." Nickel would undergo similar changes as well. 

According to the Act, "Given the current cost to make a penny and volume of pennies minted, simply reducing penny production costs to face value, the United States will save more than $500,000,000 in the next 10 years alone." 

The Coin Modernization and Taxpayer Savings Act of 2008 sparked a national debate about the value of the penny. CNN and countless other news sources and bloggers covered the story. Lobbying groups working on behalf of the cooper industry, such as the organization Americans for Common Cents, worked overtime to save the original formula of the penny and nickel. 

And on May 12, 2008, the Coin Modernization and Taxpayer Savings Act of 2008 died in the Senate without even being voted upon. Since then, the only bills concerning coinage that have gone through Congress really haven't involved more than the request to make more Sacagawea golden dollars. 

If the government is working so hard to save taxpayers money and to change our economic system for the better, why not make this one simple change? It may originally cost a lot, but in the end would save American citizens from wasting hundreds of millions.

Perhaps instead of hurling out new spending programs and stimulus plans, President Obama can usher in the "line-by-line" cuts to the federal budget he promised, starting with a big chunky line for the U.S. Mint. After all, this is not a problem to have recently crept up. The Mint has been losing money on its operations since 2003, and will continue to do so until the President, Congress, and Americans demand action.

 

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jim
August 20, 2009 1:56 PM

how much the mint make money from the coin collectors?.  i think it is billions of dollars.

UncommonSense
August 20, 2009 2:23 PM

Or how about we just stop producing the penny? The U.S. government stoped producing the half-cent coin in 1857 because inflation had diminished its value -- about 11 cents in 2008 dollars. Round everything to the nearest 5 cents if paying with cash, and start making nickels with cheaper materials (maybe copper to shut up that lobby).

coin update
August 20, 2009 3:04 PM

"The Mint has been losing money on its operations since 2003.."

According to their annual report, the US Mint earned $806 million and transferred $750 million to the Treasury General Fund.

Dude
August 20, 2009 4:28 PM

How much is 'made' when a $100 bill is printed? Does it cost more than $100 to print the bill?

Dumb article
August 20, 2009 11:34 PM

Most businesses have money making operations and operations that lose money. The value lost on making pennies is not even a drop in the bucket compared to the budget deficit. Also, so what if a penny costs even 2 cents to make? How many transactions will that penny see? Certainly more than 1 cent's worth of transactions. The mint has a mandated purpose to mint coinage for this country and they actually make money doing it regardless of the penny's status. Leave the penny alone. There are far bigger fish to fry in terms of government waste than the penny.

Budzy1911
August 21, 2009 9:31 AM

Look at the mint figures for Presidential and Sacagawea dollars. If it takes $0.296 to make a dollar coin that we are not using than why do we keep minting them? Currently the mint has produced over 3,053,331,110* Presidential and Sacagawea circulation strike dollars at a cost of $903,786,008.56 to the tax payer. Almost $1 billion dollars to produce coins sitting in a vault gathering dust. I don’t blame the mint – I blame the idiots in Congress that are more focused on their reelection than doing what is right. The mint has no authority to change production or composition of the coins – that solely lies with Congress. Any wonder that we are $12 trillion in debt and social security, Medicare and Medicaid are $54 trillion in debt? I know – since congress has grossly mismanaged everything they touched – lets let them take over healthcare. They lose money making money – a true monopoly in this country and they ask us to trust them on everything else? Throw the bums to the curb! *Figures from the US Mint Web Site

Eagle
August 21, 2009 1:06 PM

Simply don't produce as many. Why do we need millions of new pennies and niclkels every year. This year we are getting almost 4 times as many. Who is to blame for that?

Coin Collectors Blog
August 21, 2009 2:03 PM

First of all, this is old news. Your information for 2008 was for Fiscal Year 2008 which ended at the end of September 2008. We're almost to the end of FY09! Secondly, if you read the report, seignorage, the profit made from selling the coins to the Fed, remains relatively stable. Even though the costs of producing lower denominations rises, the other denominations have been steady as the Fed buys the coins for circulation.

By reading the Mint's Annual Report, you should have come away with the idea that the Mint is not in financial trouble and that the other coins and collector sales makes up for the losses.

The US Mint is a very healthy, poorly run operation. They fund their own budget using the seignorage and are in no danger of having to withdraw funds from the general Treasury.

Not only is this non-news, but it is very old news. How about something more current!

Rebel
August 21, 2009 3:59 PM

The penny shouldn't be going anywhere. Anyone who supports getting rid of the penny supports adding a third way of taxing the people for free. First we already pay taxes. Second we are taxed again as the Gov't prints out money like it's no big deal lowering the value of the money we have worked hard to earn. So why not raise everything up to the nearest nickel. Sure we the people can afford it! Let's not forget people that 100 pennies is still a dollar! And the extra cents added to a bill raising it to the nickel will add up substantially for a year.

ICollectCoins
August 24, 2009 11:30 AM

What is the cost to produce $1 bills? As I understand it, the cost is about 6.2 cents per bill no matter the denomination. The cost per dollar coin is 29.6 cents. The average life expectancy of a dollar bill is about 21 months. That works out to 0.295 cents per month. Coins last approximately 30 years. That makes cost per month for a dollar coin approximately 0.083 cents per month. So dollar coins cost less than a third the cost of dollar bills. Why not replace the dollar bill with the dollar coin? Here's another idea that I don't hear discussed... What about issuing two-cent coins? Lower production numbers on Lincoln Cents. Start production of a two-cent coin. Assuming the two cent coin costs less than double the cost of the one cent, and an equal lifespan, the overall cost for coinage would drop. I could make three cents or four cents change with two coins, not three or four. Fewer coins produced means lower overall costs over the long run. You can still make change down to the one cent level. I don't know...just a thought.

ham
September 6, 2009 9:28 PM

i canot bealive it

Corey McMahon
September 26, 2009 6:06 PM

During the Civil War, when metals were needed for the manufacture of war materials and people were hoarding coins due to their commodity value, the government switched to "fractional currency". It was paper currency that had below dollar values. It's sad that Congress has a general disregard for the issue, but history is an excellent source for solutions to modern problems.

John
November 12, 2009 3:13 AM

This article sucks. Crap like this is very misleading and a diservice to the American people. It only serves the idiots that feed off this crap and think the government is out to get them. Did you even read the Mint's Annual Report? Available here... http://www.usmint.gov/downloads/about/annual_report/2008AnnualReport.pdf You could have written a feel good story if you had. For the folks in favor of dropping the penny and rounding up to the nearest nickle... are you serious? You go into Wal-mart, fill your grocery cart with 100 items and guess what! You'll pay $2.50 more for the convienence of not getting back 2.5 cents in change! Oh, you use a debit or credit card? You'll still pay that. How much are those pennies worth now?!

fredhead
March 16, 2010 4:54 PM

just write iou's like California did

Loyce SuttonI
March 21, 2010 12:32 AM

I need help. Years ago I worked in a bank.I goo a new 20 dollar bill hot off the press. never circulated. when I popped it  a shock it had been printed with a fold in the paper so there was a blank top to bottom. I bought the bill and put it up how can I find out how much it is worth?

jerry
January 9, 2011 3:27 PM

You always hear the usual stories of pennies on the sidewalk being good luck, gifts from angels, etc. This is the first time I've ever heard this twist on the story. Gives you something to think about.

kuytfjhfuy
November 9, 2011 9:49 AM

if it cost more to make a penny than it is worth why are we still making them same with the nickel if we wouldn't make the penny and the nickel than our government would have some money and not slowly shutting down

DarkPenguin
December 22, 2011 11:43 PM

@rebel, if you're worried about stealth taxes then you should rise up against the current system.  We're all being literally nickel-and-dimed by nickels and dimes.  Large masses of change are awkward.  They take time to count and pack into rolls.  They are virtually useless in terms of actually buying things, leaving aside insignificant counterexamples like a few minutes on the parking meter, or one sixth of a wash cycle.   On the premise that your time and my time is not valueless, this is very much like a tax.  In fact, it's even worse, because an actual tax paid to the government just *might* be used for something that makes sense.

If we want to be fiscally sound, ending the manufacture of coins that cost more to make than they are worth would be an excellent start.

DarkPenguin
December 22, 2011 11:47 PM

@coin update

Most of that profit comes from the dollar coins.  Dimes and quarters also generate profit for the mints, but more than that is offset by the loss on pennies and nickels.

Dark Penguin
December 23, 2011 12:49 AM

@budzy, it doesn't matter if anyone uses the dollar coins or not.  As long as any coin is still held by one of the FRBs, it forms part of their balance sheet assets, albeit a fairly small part.   As with all FRB assets, less the portion needed to offset member bank accounts, the Fed can issue notes (paper money) against those coins.

Dark Penguin
December 24, 2011 1:31 AM

@me "Dimes and quarters also generate profit for the mints, but more than that is offset by the loss on pennies and nickels."

ETA: I meant to say *most* of the profit on dimes and quarters is offset, not "more than that".

@dumb article: we should keep making pennies just because the government wastes far more money elsewhere?   How do you--how does anyone--justify spending money to manufacture a coin that is worth less than a hundredth of just about anything one would conceivably want to buy?  For God's sake how minutely do we need to be able to count our money in order to claim victory over potential retail  price  gouging of 2 1/2 cents on a total order costing $20 or $30?  

Dark Penguin
December 24, 2011 1:54 AM

@jim re profit from numismatic products: No, it isn't billions.

For FY2008 the net income including seignorage was only $82M.  For '09 and '10 it was even less, presumably due to lower volume, which in turn resulted from the economic downturn.

You can see all these figures in the report for 2010

Aaron B
July 14, 2012 1:46 AM

So you guys need to talk to your city and county park ranger and tell them for real how much good we metal detectorists are doing for the economy by recovering and cleaning lost coins and putting them back into circulation. The annoying pennies and nickels (I have to dig the nickels because rings read as nickel on the detector and sometimes a dime read is actually a penny once you get there) are being cleaned by us (with vinegar and salt) and put back into circulation. Who was the one that said coins last 30 years? Well they last a lot longer than that, especially the silver ones. I just found a 1935 mercury dime, a 1960 dime and some wheat cents and I've only been doing it a month. There are lots of parks that take away our right to metal detect just dismissively without any good reason. It is not destructive at all, we cut a plug, pinpoint the coin or jewelry or trash, unload any dirt onto a rag, grab the item, put the dirt back in and press it down and give it a fluff. Right now the US mint does not make it easy for us to turn in all the damaged (lawnmowers, chemical) coins we get acting as though they are blind to our hobby.

Ricardo
August 5, 2012 7:43 AM

Want to keep the penny? Make it out of plastic or aluminum. Continuing to make it out or metal only transfers wealth from productive citizens to the politically-protected copper and zinc industries. Organized (and legal) robbery.

 

          


 

 
 
 


 

 

 

 


 



  






 

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